In a surprise to all of us, Darick Robertson offered the guys at SpiderFan
a 'sneak peek' of his current project, Spider-Man: Sweet Charity.
Of course, I jumped at the chance and Darick came through with some killer
pages for everyone to check out! I had to thank him for giving us the
opportunity, and I asked him if he would be willing to do an interview,
even though I had to admit I have never done one before. Once again,
Darick proves what a great guy he is when he writes back:
Glad you enjoyed the pages, Byron. I'm wrapping this thing up, and it's
fun stuff. It's due out early June.
I used [spiderfan.org] for reference pics. I think this version of the
Scorpion is unlike anything that's been done before. He's truly the
psychotic that he was intended to be. This book really handles all the
characters in their classic sense. I had a ball drawing it.
Ron Zimmerman wrote a funny, funny scipt and there's cameos galore,
including some of the FF, The Avengers and actual, real world celebs.
As bad as you think you are with questions, I'm worse with self promotion,
so I am welcoming any interviewing and promoting on PPP you'd like to
do.
Best Wishes - Darick Robertson
Now, I am not about to pass that up, wouldn't you agree? I finally get
the chance to speak with one of the chosen few that has both written and
drawn for Spider-Man, and so I post it here for all the fellow
SpiderFans!
SpiderFan: Lets get some
background on you first. Tell me, just who is Darick Robertson, the man?
Tell us about your family, current job title, things like that.
Darick Robertson: I live in
Brooklyn with my wife and we have a 7 month old son, named Owen. He doesn't
really get what I do yet, but is fascinated with the abundance of toys and
such in my studio. I'm a hopeless collector. For the last 5 years I've been
hard at work on the title I'm mostly known for and Co-created with Warren
Ellis: TRANSMETROPOLITAN. For various reasons I've been doing side
projects while doing that book monthly. Most notably I helped launch the
Marvel Max line with Garth Ennis on FURY.
SpiderFan: A couple of
outstanding titles, indeed. Can you tell us where and when you
studied/practiced art, and how and when you got into the comic business?
Darick Robertson: I'm self
taught, from a life long fascination with comic book art. I used to draw my
own comics and staple them together and show them to my friends when I was
in 5th grade. (You can see some of this work on my website
Transmetropolitan.com in the archives section). I did my first published
work right out of high school, actually started it in my senior year high
school class, at 17. It was a book called "Space Beaver" that I wrote and
fully drew. It was a long 5 year crawl to break into the mainstream from
there.
SpiderFan: I must say I am
impressed with your natural abilities then.
Darick Robertson: Well, thanks,
but it wasn't all that impressive in 1988.
SpiderFan: Even so, I am
surprised it took 5 years for someone to finally recognize your talent, or
is it just that competitive?
Darick Robertson: Both, I
suppose. The main thing you need to go anywhere in this business is
persistence.
SpiderFan: Who was it that
eventually did snag you up and help you get into the mainstream?
Darick Robertson: That would be
Andy Helfer. He gave me my first real break and a monthly book to start on
that led to my work at Marvel.
SpiderFan: What was your first
assignment or project?
Darick Robertson: Space Beaver
independently, Justice League Quarterly #4 for DC, Wolverine#54 for
Marvel.
SpiderFan: You will have to
excuse me as I am not too familiar with all of your work that is not Spidey
related, so can you mention a couple of things you have done so far?
Darick Robertson: Done and
done. Before Transmetropolitan I was known for doing a 2 year run on New
Warriors and before that, a 7 issue run on Justice League Europe.
SpiderFan: The New Warriors!
That was it, I loved that series back in the early 90's, and I have almost
all of them. I am also familiar with the work you have done on Spider-Man,
so I do know you have done some writing as well. How do you like doing
that as opposed to penciling?
Darick Robertson: Ideally, I
like to do both. I would like to do more writing in the future, but I've
worked with the best in the business, so it's intimidating, as people will
have high expectations when they read something with my art. With the
changes at Marvel, I think I have a better chance at emerging as a writer
than I did under the old regime. I have more progressive ideas for what I
want to write and the stuff I have had published has always been toned
down, edited for content and in the end only a third of what I wanted to
do.
SpiderFan: I am sure we would
like to see some more of your ideas, preferably in the way you want them
done. What do you think is the best story you have written, or perhaps the
most favorite project you worked on?
Darick Robertson: Fury and
Transmet have been the highlights of my career, but as far as my writing
goes, I am proud of the story I did in the Spectacular Spider-Man Super
Special #1 (I believe it was that issue. It has the Lizard on the cover, I
know cuz I did the cover. One of them at least; it flipped. That's actually
a credit of mine that's missing from your data base) it was my first team
up with FURY inker Jimmy Palmiotti, wherein it's the POV of a young couple
who get attacked in the midst of a breakup, and when Spidey rescues them,
they see how fragile life is and makes their problems seem small in light
of losing each other to death. It was done from the narrative of a woman in
therapy talking to her therapist.
I also had fun doing the Marvel Team-Up with Gambit, but that story only
had elements of what I wanted it to be. It was heavily edited and very
watered down. My original story was actually set in New Orleans and
involved a woman that both Gambit and Ben Reilly had been in love with at
different one times and her child that may or may not have been either
Gambit's or Ben's getting kidnapped by a local mob boss who wants to
control the woman he loves but despises him. Both Spidey and Gambit have to
go back to New Orleans to help and they have this jealous competition
between them and are both trying to rescue a child that may be theirs. Bob
Harass said I couldn't take Gambit to New Orleans and it had to be set in
Manhattan. Just like that. Then I was told I had to put a Spider-Man
villain in it. In the end it wasn't the story I wanted to do at all, but
people were kind in response.
The highlight of my Spider-Man work was doing the 1995 story with Stan Lee
writing and being inked by George Perez (who was brought in to replace John
Romita Sr. when he backed out as inker). George called me to tell me how
much he liked my work, which meant the world to me. JRJR told me the same
thing once, and from those 2, whoo! You don't need much more. That story
was reprinted in the Best Of Marvel 1995.
SpiderFan: Whoops, sorry about
the missing credit, I do have you down as doing the pencils.
Darick Robertson: I hope that
my writing credit's in that one too (I always forget the issue numbers. Too
many to keep track of now...)
SpiderFan: Consider that
missing credit added. How well do you like your job? Was it one of your
dreams to be a writer/artist for comics?
Darick Robertson: Being a
writer/artist is still my dream. I have yet to really be presented as a
writer, and do what I want to do. I want to be another Frank Miller in 10
years, that's my dream. I still like my job, but I'm looking forward to a
less hectic schedule. My future projects are ones where I get to ink myself
and I want to write more. I love that my job lets me work at home and watch
my son growing up. That's the best.
SpiderFan: No doubt there,
having a son myself, I know what a great benefit it is to not miss out on
those times. Any other artists that have had an influence on you?
Darick Robertson: This is a
well covered question, so I'm limiting it to a few top names: Brian
Bolland, Frank Miller, Neil Adams, Art Adams, David Mazzuchelli, Adam
Hughes, Kevin Maguire, Dave Gibbons, Jose Garcia Lopez, George Perez and
the list goes on (Will Eisner, Joe Kubert, The Romitas, stop me! ...)
SpiderFan: Any childhood heroes
that inspired you?
Darick Robertson: Super hero's
or art heroes?
SpiderFan: Well, I guess I was
thinking Superheroes, but if you have names to mention for both types of
heroes that would be great!
Darick Robertson: Well I gave
my list of Art heroes, but the characters I loved growing up were Batman,
Spider-Man, The Flash and Star Wars.
SpiderFan: Any other hobbies
aside from your artistic and writing talents? What else do you like to
do?
Darick Robertson: I am a
practicing musician. I play guitar and piano and sing and write songs. I
performed for a very short time. Now it's mostly for my own enjoyment. I
have done some acting, a little improv theatre here in New York with
"Ka-Baam!"
I also collect action figures and comic statues (like the Bowen stuff and
DC Direct) I love that stuff. I was a big Star Wars fan. Phantom Menace
spoiled that for me. Let's hope Clone Wars makes up for it. Personally, I'm
all about the Spider-Man movie. That's going to be THE summer film. The
best comic adaptation since Superman the Movie.
SpiderFan: You say you play
music for your own enjoyment, but if you had the opportunity, would you go
for cutting an album?
Darick Robertson: Given
the opportunity? Absolutely. I think about buying recording equipment and
doing my thing. I have some demo tapes already. But that's a tougher
business than even comics and you have to want that and only that. I have
so many friends that are ten times better musicians than I am that work at
that all the time and struggle. I don't see much hope for a career in music
for me at this age. Besides, I think I enjoy my music because it's
not my job. Drawing comics used to be an escape for me as a boy, but
now it's my career. So music is my art, you know? No pressure, just
release. It's my video game. You can never reach the final level of
musicianship, you can only get better inifintely and eventually, the high
score could really result in something substantial.
SpiderFan: Similarly, are you
interested in pursuing an acting career?
Darick Robertson: Also it's
just for fun. If I had a time machine I'd go back and give both careers a
shot, but I'd be as focussed and determined as I was getting into comics. I
knew I could do comics from a very young age, but when I look back, that
was based on how people responded to my art. People gave me similar
attention for my music and my acting, but I never thought that was
realistic. That seemed impossible for some reason. I believed I could do
comics and put all I had into finding my path into the mainstream. Perhaps,
with the opportunity to do it all over again, I would have developed one of
my other crafts into something people would notice. (Ask "The Watcher" for
the Darick Robertson 'What IF?..' issue I suppose. ; )
SpiderFan: Even though your
other endeavors are just for fun, I wish you the best and I am rather glad
you are here creating great material for us comic fans. Let's delve into
Spider-Man, are you a fan?
Darick Robertson: Definitely.
The first comic I remember reading was Spider-Man #130. I had the toys, I
watched the cartoons. I collected the comics (until they got unbearable to
read)
SpiderFan: Do you or have you
done any of the following: Collect/read the comics, own Spidey merchandise,
seen the animated series, played any of the videogames?
Darick Robertson: Yep.
SpiderFan: What do you think
sets Spider-Man apart from other heroes, the reason for his popularity?
What do you like best about Spider-Man?
Darick Robertson: He's so
human, and so believable in his humanity. He has powers but that doesn't
put food in the fridge. He still gets his heart broken. I love that he was
a nerd and the first impulse was to make money from his powers. That made
him believable to me. Then it was through loss that he had his life
changing moment. Really, classic stuff. Almost Shakespearean in it's
way.
SpiderFan: Very well put. I
have to ask this, or Al will never forgive me. Do you have any opinions or
comments you want to share about the Clone Saga?
Darick Robertson: Well, I had
the unfortunate timing to get most of my work on Spider-man during that
awful, awful time. I will always be sad that my one issue of Amazing
Spider-man was all about Scarlet Spider. The Clone Saga was a 4 issue story
arc idea that went on way too long and got way too big and way out of
control. It proved once and for all that Spider-man does not need a
new costume, EVER (It's one of the best, most original designs in
all of comics, I think) and that it's better to leave well enough alone. If
Spidey had a teenage sidekick, ala Robin, in the Scarlet Spider suit would
be cool, but no 2 Spideys that are both Spidey. That sucked.
Move forward, not backwards. Look at the current issues and how great
Straczynski's doing with Spidey now, just by getting into the character at
his roots. No marriage, a little apartment, teaching, at his old high
school, and a whole issue with Aunt May finding out about Peter's secret,
and not a single punch thrown. I thought it was great. It's a pleasure to
be involved right now.
SpiderFan: Any favorite Spidey
villains?
Darick Robertson: I like them
all, mostly. I'm digging on the version of the Scorpion that Ron Zimmerman
and I are doing for Sweet Charity. I always liked Black Cat also,
but it's hard to call her a villain.
SpiderFan: Mary Jane, what's
your take on this? Would you like to see her return for good, and stay
married to Peter?
Darick Robertson: Definitely
not. Peter is more interesting when he's on his own. Marriage doesn't make
sense for him, but he should want it, for sure. It should always be out of
reach for him. Mary Jane should be the wild out of control woman that she
used to be, coming and going from Peter's life, always breaking his heart
with Peter hopelessly in love with her. That's interesting. Wedded bliss is
dull.
SpiderFan: I understand where
you are coming from, and the current Spidey is the best it has been in
years -
Darick Robertson: Oh yeah! Like
the clock got reset or something!
SpiderFan: But Darick, how
could you say that? You're a married man yourself!
Darick Robertson: Yeah, but
I'm not Spider-Man! I want dullness in my everyday life! I don't
want to read about somebody living my uneventful life. I like stability,
but I don't go to comics to get that. I don't want the Green Goblin
smashing into my house while I'm watching TV with my wife either. I do want
him terrorizing Peter Parker though, and making his life miserable. I want
to suffer with Peter and feel his highs and lows, hope and despair, when I
read a comic. I don't want to see Peter sleeping with his Super Model wife
in his snazzy uptown Manhattan apartment. Boo-fucking-hoo if that guy has
any problems! How can I relate to that guy? This current Peter Parker I can
relate to. I care about him and his situation. The journey, not the
arrival, is where the story is. The arrival is the end of the story. Come
on, admit it, all those years they had them married felt like it was a long
dragged out ending. Now there are questions again! Where is MJ? Is she
coming back? Will they get back together? What if she dates Johnny Storm?
Interesting....
SpiderFan: Okay, you bring up
real good points, but I guess I am a hopeless romantic in that I wish for
MJ's return. Does your wife know you wrote "Wedded bliss is dull"? (I am
teasing ya)
Darick Robertson: I hear you!
No,I wasn't very clear that I was talking about Spider-Man's life
specifically...
SpiderFan: Well lets hope you
stay out of trouble then! You said you are looking forward to the
Spider-Man movie, got any news or comments you can share about it?
Darick Robertson: I have a
funny story wherein I was almost Peter Parker's hand for the shot designing
the costume, but Phil Jimenez was home that weekend and I wasn't, so he got
the gig. I am so excited about the film that I feel like a kid again. The
trailers are incredible. That movie's going to rock! It's got a great
directorial choice, it looks and feels like Spider-Man, and the casting is
perfect, really. 3 excellent actors carrying the leads, yet not so big they
overshine the roles.
SpiderFan: Oh no! I am sorry
you missed out on that opportunity to be in the film! I take it your heart
sort of sunk down a little when you heard the news Phil got it?
Darick Robertson: I like Phil,
he's a good guy, so I was happy for him. Glad it wasn't McFarlane with his
already made millions and all. Glad someone in the trenches with me got the
gig. I was disappointed in general. Happy they thought of me, sad they
didn't wait for me. (I called them back the very next day, but if I had
been home...)
SpiderFan: Well, if that was
me, Phil would now be the #1 person on my pranks-to-pull-on list, but
anyway... Your current project, Spider-Man: Sweet Charity, tell us a
little about it, how did you get involved with this one, and who else is
working on it?
Darick Robertson: It's written
by Howard Stern's pal and Television writing veteran Ron Zimmerman. Ron's
being really embraced at Marvel and is shaping into the next big thing.
They teamed me up with him because I am becoming known for the dark comedic
element in my art. That suits me fine, since I love to draw funny stuff.
It's partially inked by Rodney Ramos and the other portion by me. Rodney's
a good inker but I am really enjoying doing my own inks. The story is
centered around JJJ getting together a charity auction for the WTC disaster
relief fund and they're auctioning off celebrity dates. Real world
celebrities are making cameos, like Jay Leno who they made me draw in the
same style that Greg Capullo drew him for approval. A mutual foe of
Spider-man and JJJ's has enough money to force Spidey and JJJ to go camping
together, knowing how much they hate each other, it's delicious for him
(and the reader). The Scorpion hears about it and sees an opportunity to go
exact his revenge on them both.
SpiderFan: I can tell from the
pages you sent, even without the dialogue added, that it is funny stuff!
All that power and Spider-Man can't pitch a tent! How does a project like
this get started? How does it relate to the current Spider-Man creative
teams in that sense, such as, do you have to have the Spider-Man story
approved by the current creative teams?
Darick Robertson: Spider-Man is
all overseen by Axel Alonso, and the new attitude at Marvel is less about
restricting the storylines to that old anal retentive continuity and more
about good Spider-man stories being published. He's a comic book character
and reigning yourself to a rigid storyline results in things like the Clone
Saga. Keep the essential elements in tact, respect the history, but
remember it's about entertainment and fun, not Holy Scripture.
SpiderFan: A big thanks for the
sneak peek at the pages you are doing, for many fans its a rare thing to be
able to see something like this, especially before it goes to print.
Anything specific you would like to say about Spider-Man: Sweet
Charity?
Darick Robertson: I am really
having fun drawing this book and think it's a very funny script. It's my
best Spider-Man work to date, I think.
SpiderFan: I know I will
definitely be picking it up, and I imagine all the other guys will as well.
You have been involved in a number of Spider-Man projects in the past,
would you like to stay involved with the character? Would you want to be
the artist for future Spider-Man storylines?
Darick Robertson: Sure! I am
talking about some Tangled Web stories and have already expressed my
interest in filling in or taking over for JRJR on a Straczynski script if
opportunity arises. Axel has given me every indication that he wants to
keep me busy in his office. Axel wants to team me with Ron Zimmerman more,
so we'll see what happens.
SpiderFan: I for one, would
love to see what happens! Other than Spider-Man: Sweet Charity,
what future projects do you have coming up that we can watch out for?
Darick Robertson: I am about to
start drawing and inking DEATHLOK for Marvel Max and later this year will
be teaming up again with Garth Ennis for a Punisher story for Marvel
Max.
SpiderFan: Thank you so much
for taking the time out in answering all these questions! Something like
this is a big boost to all of us at Spiderfan, for someone like you who has
worked on the books has a celebrity status with us, I mean, you draw
Spider-Man!
Darick Robertson: Well, thanks!
I hope my future Spider-Man work will be closer to what I really want to
do. Sweet Charity was great as I got to draw classic Spidey in
classic situations, with JJJ and Scorpion. That's my idea of a Spider-Man
story! I want to do more stuff like this down the line. My past Spider-Man
stuff has been a lot of embarrassment and disappointment. I was always next
in line to do the regular books, and the editors kept getting fired and or
quitting. I was finally offered the regular spot on Marvel Team Up and
then it got cancelled. Luckily, I had chosen to pass on that offer and do
Transmetropolitan instead. Marvel's future looks a lot better right now
than it did in 1997 and I'm happy to be back working in a progressive
environment. The house of ideas feels like it's the house of ideas once
again, instead of the house of old ideas. (or bad ideas, like the Clone
Saga)
A million thanks goes out to Darick, who is extremely friendly and quite
generous. You can find out more about Darick and his Spider-Man work by
checking out his credit page here:
Darick's page.
I would also like to point out a little-known fact about Darick, something
for the hardcore Spider-Man trivia buffs, which he personally wrote in and
told us about. On the Daily Bugle miniseries, for issue #3 there is an
artist credited as Phillip DePages. In reality, Phil DePages is Darick
Robertson, who chose the alter-ego as he was helping out Editor Tom
Brevoort by filling in and basically 'copying' the other artists style.
Because Darick was aping someone else's style, he didn't want his name on
it, and instead just 'filled up the pages', get it?
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